I told B. that I wanted him to purge of everything he had of her. Everything, she had a couple of his CD's that she borrowed and I borrowed a CD from her but left it at B.'s place. I asked him to remove her number off his cellphone, to take her screen name off his buddy list on AOL Instant Messenger, to get rid of absolutely everything. He managed to put it off, and I let it slide. B. doesn't think doing those little things would amount to anything. He didn't really "put it off", he took her screen name off his primary screen name, but the rest he left it. He says he doesn't use those accounts and it's not that he did it on purpose, he did not remember.
There was a time I mentioned that her screen name was still there, but he did not make a move it remove it from his list. He also did not remove her number from his mobile phone until a few weeks ago, but he assures me that he has not called her. He does not believe that these little things will do us any good, he says can't I see the bigger picture of what he is doing. How even though he has his number on her mobile, he has not called her. How she does not mean enough for him to even remember that her screen name was on his other accounts. How she does not mean enough that he did not even remember her number was on his mobile?
I did not talk to Pam for a month or more. I was not ready yet, I still had to get myself in order. I finally called her after I decided it was time to iron things out. I did not call her to fight or yell at her, I simply wanted to make it clear that I do not hate her, I want to iron things out, not to be friends again. I knew things would never be the same between her and I. I did not expect it to be, I did not expect anything, just to talk about things.
I don't hate anybody, I don't even hate Pam. I do not understand Pam, but I do not hate her. Even to this day, I don't. I still don't understand her though. I called her mobile phone but she never picked up. Instead she called B. but B. has his phone on silent and did not know she was calling until later. I still do not know why she called B. after she did not pick up my calls. I never asked her that.
After a couple more months, she popped up on AOL Instant Messenger. Since she was not answering her phone, this was the only way I could talk to her. I made the first move and talked to her. I told her I wanted to iron things out, and she told me that we will never be friends like how we were. I explained that I knew that, that is not why I am talking to her. She got very defensive, for reasons unknown to me. Later on, in her online journal she wrote an obscure post about how some people always try to be on good grounds with you, but their real intentions are to get you closer and then attack you. Like Machiavelli's theory of "keep your friends close and your enemies closer".
That was not my intention, but even when I told her that I'm not planning to blackmail her or anything, she still thought that. I don't even know what I did to have her think that. She told me that before she slept with B. she felt that I was plotting against her, that I had some underlying plan to sabotage her.
Sabotage her for what? I honestly do not know. I actually felt she had some underlying intentions because everything told me that she liked B. but when I asked her if she liked him, she denied it. Then she did not listen when I tried to tell her B. liked her. To this day, she thinks that I got mad at her for no reason, even when I told her plain and simple my reason was because she showed me no courtesy, no respect, and just continued to play her childish game.
In later conversations I asked her if she hated me. She said she did. Ironic isn't it? That she lied to me but I do not hate her, and then she sleeps with my boyfriend and hates me. I asked her why she hated me, and she said, "I don't know, I just do". When I pried for more reasons, she said I had changed.
I asked her how I had changed, and she couldn't tell me how I had changed. She said, Okay maybe you didn't change and just my view of you changed. And so I said, "Okay, so then it's not really me, you just hate me because you want to". And she said, Yeah, I guess so.
I apologized to her for calling her a whore when I found her sleeping with B. that day. I apologized for other things I had said to her. I apologized for reasons I did not have, that I must have done something to have Pam sleep with B., I apologized for that even though it was hardly feasible.
I told B. to apologize to her because no girl should lose her virginity that way and to REALLY end it this time. He said he called her on the phone and told her that it was nothing emotional and "ended it". He did it right after he slept with her, and he did it again over AOL Instant Messenger when I asked him to. On Instant Messenger Pam never replied, so I couldn't be sure if she ever got his message and his apology.
When I asked Pam if she had talked to B. yet, she told me she did not hear a word from him since they slept together. I believed her then, because I figured she never got those messages on Instant Messenger and I did not know about B. calling her until recently. I apologized for B., because I did not know that B. had already apologized over the phone. She told me she hadn't heard from him, so I believed her.
I asked if she liked him, and she said she did not anymore, but she did before. I asked her what happened to not hurting me, to not doing anything with B. because she would never want to hurt me that way. She said she felt bad, she said she has failed me as a friend, but she never said sorry. I think to this day, she still believes she did not do anything wrong.
Pam and I got in a few arguments, she defended her position by saying when she went over she had no idea that he was going to sleep with her. I retorted by saying Did you not remove your own clothes? Did you not undress yourself and bend over when he asked? What did you think he was going to do?
She kept saying she did not know when she came over and I stressed the fact that Okay, so you didn't know when you went over, but I am sure you knew when you undressed yourself and bent over. She said nothing. She just kept repeating that she did not know when she came over. Pam has the amazingly ability to ignore everything another person says.
She said to me, "Why don't you go yell at your boy?! Why are you just yelling at me?!" I laughed. I said, "You think B. doesn't get yelled at? He gets A LOT worse than this from me". She made it like B. raped her, like he put a gun to her head and told her to take off her clothes. I was amazed she could even take that position when she herself took off her own clothes and knew what was going to happen when she bent over. I told her, "why are you making it sound like B. RAPED you? He did nothing like that, you GAVE it to him, you undressed yourself, you bent over yourself, you were fully aware of what he was going to do. Do not make yourself sound like the VICTIM." She scoffed. She said, "Yeah right, I let him take it away from me. I WANTED him to do that to me" (sarcastically).
She accused me of being of holy and righteous. She said I always try to do the right thing even though she knows my true intentions are not right. I asked her how she knew what my true intentions are, and she said she knows how people in this world are.
The thing with Pam is that she thinks she knows everything. I am honestly not saying this to be mean, I did not even realize that until B. pointed it out to me. She thinks she knows everything about sociology and human behavior. She bases it all on herself, because SHE has bad intentions then everyone else does too. She does not believe that I was not trying to attack her, I was just trying to understand things so I could finally find some closure.
She said to me, "why are you saying all this stuff? Why are you talking about all this stuff? To remind me that you're better? To remind me that I'm not as good as you? My boyfriend is cheating on me already, I don't need you to make me feel worse."
That really ticked me off. That's like a murderer whose wife cheated on him, and he says, "hey, why are you (the jury) convicting me? My wife is already cheating on me, give me a break!"
I can't stand that kind of stuff. I can't stand people who run from responsibility. Fine, do it if you're not hurting anyone else, but when you hurt other people, responsibility must be taken. Pam did not want to be blamed for anything. She said I am blaming her for B. sleeping with her. I told her very plainly, "No, that is not what I blame you for. What B. did is what B. did, I don't blame you for that. B. did it himself, YOU did not ruin my relationship with B., B. did that all by himself. I blame you for LYING to me, for telling me you didn't like him when you actually did, for playing stupid childish mind games with me." But she did not listen. She insisted over and over, "You're just blaming me for B. sleeping with me because you want to make yourself feel better!".
After this incident I learned a lot about Pam very quickly. One thing I learned was that Pam takes things to the extreme. Especially anger. We were talking about abortion and I asked her if there was a chance B. got her pregnant. Fortunately, she wasn't, but she said if someone got her pregnant out of wedlock, she would not tell the father. I was appalled. Why wouldn't you tell the father? I asked. She said, "Why should I? So he can run out on me and my kid?". I said don't you think the father has the right to know, maybe he wants to help raise the child. She said No, men are dogs. She has built a hate toward all men because of her boyfriend who was cheating on her and possibly because of B., although I never asked. This is what I mean by taking things to the extreme, based on her experience with 2 men (with B. I think she should have been wise enough to smell trouble brewing), she forms her opinion on the whole species of men. Another example is when we were working and our supervisor switched her to another department. She was convinced that our supervisor hated her even though I explained, and other coworkers explained, that he is only doing his job as our supervisor.
I will say this again, Pam has the amazing ability to ignore everything another person says. I still do not understand why she hates me. She expresses this animosity toward me for a reason even she herself cannot give.
There was a time I mentioned that her screen name was still there, but he did not make a move it remove it from his list. He also did not remove her number from his mobile phone until a few weeks ago, but he assures me that he has not called her. He does not believe that these little things will do us any good, he says can't I see the bigger picture of what he is doing. How even though he has his number on her mobile, he has not called her. How she does not mean enough for him to even remember that her screen name was on his other accounts. How she does not mean enough that he did not even remember her number was on his mobile?
I did not talk to Pam for a month or more. I was not ready yet, I still had to get myself in order. I finally called her after I decided it was time to iron things out. I did not call her to fight or yell at her, I simply wanted to make it clear that I do not hate her, I want to iron things out, not to be friends again. I knew things would never be the same between her and I. I did not expect it to be, I did not expect anything, just to talk about things.
I don't hate anybody, I don't even hate Pam. I do not understand Pam, but I do not hate her. Even to this day, I don't. I still don't understand her though. I called her mobile phone but she never picked up. Instead she called B. but B. has his phone on silent and did not know she was calling until later. I still do not know why she called B. after she did not pick up my calls. I never asked her that.
After a couple more months, she popped up on AOL Instant Messenger. Since she was not answering her phone, this was the only way I could talk to her. I made the first move and talked to her. I told her I wanted to iron things out, and she told me that we will never be friends like how we were. I explained that I knew that, that is not why I am talking to her. She got very defensive, for reasons unknown to me. Later on, in her online journal she wrote an obscure post about how some people always try to be on good grounds with you, but their real intentions are to get you closer and then attack you. Like Machiavelli's theory of "keep your friends close and your enemies closer".
That was not my intention, but even when I told her that I'm not planning to blackmail her or anything, she still thought that. I don't even know what I did to have her think that. She told me that before she slept with B. she felt that I was plotting against her, that I had some underlying plan to sabotage her.
Sabotage her for what? I honestly do not know. I actually felt she had some underlying intentions because everything told me that she liked B. but when I asked her if she liked him, she denied it. Then she did not listen when I tried to tell her B. liked her. To this day, she thinks that I got mad at her for no reason, even when I told her plain and simple my reason was because she showed me no courtesy, no respect, and just continued to play her childish game.
In later conversations I asked her if she hated me. She said she did. Ironic isn't it? That she lied to me but I do not hate her, and then she sleeps with my boyfriend and hates me. I asked her why she hated me, and she said, "I don't know, I just do". When I pried for more reasons, she said I had changed.
I asked her how I had changed, and she couldn't tell me how I had changed. She said, Okay maybe you didn't change and just my view of you changed. And so I said, "Okay, so then it's not really me, you just hate me because you want to". And she said, Yeah, I guess so.
I apologized to her for calling her a whore when I found her sleeping with B. that day. I apologized for other things I had said to her. I apologized for reasons I did not have, that I must have done something to have Pam sleep with B., I apologized for that even though it was hardly feasible.
I told B. to apologize to her because no girl should lose her virginity that way and to REALLY end it this time. He said he called her on the phone and told her that it was nothing emotional and "ended it". He did it right after he slept with her, and he did it again over AOL Instant Messenger when I asked him to. On Instant Messenger Pam never replied, so I couldn't be sure if she ever got his message and his apology.
When I asked Pam if she had talked to B. yet, she told me she did not hear a word from him since they slept together. I believed her then, because I figured she never got those messages on Instant Messenger and I did not know about B. calling her until recently. I apologized for B., because I did not know that B. had already apologized over the phone. She told me she hadn't heard from him, so I believed her.
I asked if she liked him, and she said she did not anymore, but she did before. I asked her what happened to not hurting me, to not doing anything with B. because she would never want to hurt me that way. She said she felt bad, she said she has failed me as a friend, but she never said sorry. I think to this day, she still believes she did not do anything wrong.
Pam and I got in a few arguments, she defended her position by saying when she went over she had no idea that he was going to sleep with her. I retorted by saying Did you not remove your own clothes? Did you not undress yourself and bend over when he asked? What did you think he was going to do?
She kept saying she did not know when she came over and I stressed the fact that Okay, so you didn't know when you went over, but I am sure you knew when you undressed yourself and bent over. She said nothing. She just kept repeating that she did not know when she came over. Pam has the amazingly ability to ignore everything another person says.
She said to me, "Why don't you go yell at your boy?! Why are you just yelling at me?!" I laughed. I said, "You think B. doesn't get yelled at? He gets A LOT worse than this from me". She made it like B. raped her, like he put a gun to her head and told her to take off her clothes. I was amazed she could even take that position when she herself took off her own clothes and knew what was going to happen when she bent over. I told her, "why are you making it sound like B. RAPED you? He did nothing like that, you GAVE it to him, you undressed yourself, you bent over yourself, you were fully aware of what he was going to do. Do not make yourself sound like the VICTIM." She scoffed. She said, "Yeah right, I let him take it away from me. I WANTED him to do that to me" (sarcastically).
She accused me of being of holy and righteous. She said I always try to do the right thing even though she knows my true intentions are not right. I asked her how she knew what my true intentions are, and she said she knows how people in this world are.
The thing with Pam is that she thinks she knows everything. I am honestly not saying this to be mean, I did not even realize that until B. pointed it out to me. She thinks she knows everything about sociology and human behavior. She bases it all on herself, because SHE has bad intentions then everyone else does too. She does not believe that I was not trying to attack her, I was just trying to understand things so I could finally find some closure.
She said to me, "why are you saying all this stuff? Why are you talking about all this stuff? To remind me that you're better? To remind me that I'm not as good as you? My boyfriend is cheating on me already, I don't need you to make me feel worse."
That really ticked me off. That's like a murderer whose wife cheated on him, and he says, "hey, why are you (the jury) convicting me? My wife is already cheating on me, give me a break!"
I can't stand that kind of stuff. I can't stand people who run from responsibility. Fine, do it if you're not hurting anyone else, but when you hurt other people, responsibility must be taken. Pam did not want to be blamed for anything. She said I am blaming her for B. sleeping with her. I told her very plainly, "No, that is not what I blame you for. What B. did is what B. did, I don't blame you for that. B. did it himself, YOU did not ruin my relationship with B., B. did that all by himself. I blame you for LYING to me, for telling me you didn't like him when you actually did, for playing stupid childish mind games with me." But she did not listen. She insisted over and over, "You're just blaming me for B. sleeping with me because you want to make yourself feel better!".
After this incident I learned a lot about Pam very quickly. One thing I learned was that Pam takes things to the extreme. Especially anger. We were talking about abortion and I asked her if there was a chance B. got her pregnant. Fortunately, she wasn't, but she said if someone got her pregnant out of wedlock, she would not tell the father. I was appalled. Why wouldn't you tell the father? I asked. She said, "Why should I? So he can run out on me and my kid?". I said don't you think the father has the right to know, maybe he wants to help raise the child. She said No, men are dogs. She has built a hate toward all men because of her boyfriend who was cheating on her and possibly because of B., although I never asked. This is what I mean by taking things to the extreme, based on her experience with 2 men (with B. I think she should have been wise enough to smell trouble brewing), she forms her opinion on the whole species of men. Another example is when we were working and our supervisor switched her to another department. She was convinced that our supervisor hated her even though I explained, and other coworkers explained, that he is only doing his job as our supervisor.
I will say this again, Pam has the amazing ability to ignore everything another person says. I still do not understand why she hates me. She expresses this animosity toward me for a reason even she herself cannot give.